"...Sweet Spirit, / what souls are these who run through this black haze?" / And he to me: "These are the nearly soulless / whose lives concluded neither blame nor praise."
Why didn't these people choose a side? Did they simply not care for either side, or were they trying to prevent both from being offended?
"Virgil rebukes him saying that this journey for Dante is willed by a higher power (God). Therefore, Charon is powerless to refuse, finally, and takes them across to the first circle."
This proves that in the story, God is still superior, and in hell he can't be ignored.
"Here you shall pass among the fallen people, souls who have lost the good of intellect."
What does virgil mean when he says they have lost the good of intellect? I don't really see how intellect would do them any good at the place they are at.
"As they are stung, streams of blood and putrid matter drip to the ground which is eaten by the maggots and worms at their feet."
Why do the maggots and worms eat the blood. Why does the blood not stay to show what is happening to them. To give them more pain of what is acctually happening and how much damage the wasp are causing them?
Virgil rebukes him saying that this journey for Dante is willed by a higher power (God).
I think that this goes along with our discussion in class about if Dante is saying there is or isn't a God. We missed this when we were reading, but here Virgil is saying that God has a purpose in Dante seeing the depths of Hell. Maybe God God is showing Dante that this is what he and the people of the world go through after they die if they don't know God. God's purpose for showing Dante is to save him.
"The souls in the Vestibule continually chase this Wavering Banner which can never be caught. In life, they went after things only to their own benefit."
If they only go after things that benefit them then why are they chasing a banner? What does it symbolize?
"In life, they went after things only to their own benefit, things which were always changing. Just so, the Banner is constantly changing, never stopping. As they go after it, like on a wind, the banner eludes them, just as they lived their lives on winds of change."
The banner is saying there was constant changes that these people followed. Was Dante following these changes? Can he make it through these changes? -I think that quote is describing the changes of life, and how people follow them but in a bad way and how changes can be mistakes....or mistakes can cause changes.
"The souls in the Vestibule continually chase this Wavering Banner which can never be caught."
It states in the book that the banner represents the item that the vestibule had desired before life. So the Vestibule are forced to chase after the banner because it causes an illusion for the Vestibule to think it is the item that they wanted ?
"The souls in the Vestibule continually chase this Wavering Banner which can never be caught."
It states in the book that the banner represents the item that the vestibule had desired before life. So the Vestibule are forced to chase after the banner because it causes an illusion for the Vestibule to think it is the item that they wanted?
"The more they try to run away, the more the insects goad them." Do you think if they simply stop running they would leave them alone or would they attack even more?
The souls in the Vestibule continually chase this Wavering Banner which can never be caught."
i wonder what thebanner represent ? does it represent freedom i wonder.
A lot of people have used this quote, and to answer Dustin I do think the banner symbolizes freedom. In our lives we constantly want freedom, and in hell to be free isn't an option.
Carrie said... "What does virgil mean when he says they have lost the good of intellect? I don't really see how intellect would do them any good at the place they are at."
I think he means that in life, they did not make the choice between good or evil- Satan or God- so they lost their intellect and that is their punishment.
Noelle said.. Why didn't these people choose a side? Did they simply not care for either side, or were they trying to prevent both from being offended?
I sort of agree with Noelle's question on this. I think that people in this section are people that didn't really say there wasn't a God, but didn't have faith in God either. But this is only my opinion. I'm really not sure.
Noelle said... "...Sweet Spirit, / what souls are these who run through this black haze?" / And he to me: "These are the nearly soulless / whose lives concluded neither blame nor praise."
Why didn't these people choose a side? Did they simply not care for either side, or were they trying to prevent both from being offended?
I never thought of it like that but I suppose it is possible that they didn't care for either side. Personally, I think they could have been pagans. They were neutral towards the idea of any religion.
Is Dante saying that he feels bad for the opportunists stuck in the vestibule? I think he feels that their punishment is harsh.
I think he is saying that he does feel bad for the people he sees and when he looks at them he feels their pain and it makes tears come to his eyes like he wants to cry from seeing them treated that way.
Why do the maggots and worms eat the blood. Why does the blood not stay to show what is happening to them. To give them more pain of what is acctually happening and how much damage the wasp are causing them?
...then the blood would never go away and it would keep building would it not?
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Unfortunately, our book only includes a few sections of Dante's Inferno, so we will be using our books and online resources to explore the depths of his allegory.
Our goal is to collect remnants of the Inferno and your own comments and display them on this blog.
What are you supposed to do?
Use the virtual tour link to explore each section. Begin with the Dark Wood, then the Vestibule, and then the circles. Read the given information for each location. For each location, you should find something that you want to comment on or question.
An excellent comment has two characteristics: 1. It should include either a quote from the text (found either in your book or online) or a definition or researched fact that helps you understand the reading. 2. You must also include your thoughts or reaction to the remnant you use.
Once you make you comment, respond to someone else's.
Then move to the next section.
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48 comments:
"Here sighs and cries and wails coiled and recoiled on the starless air, spilling my soul to tears."
Is Dante saying that he feels bad for the opportunists stuck in the vestibule? I think he feels that their punishment is harsh.
"...Sweet Spirit, / what souls are these who run through this black haze?" / And he to me: "These are the nearly soulless / whose lives concluded neither blame nor praise."
Why didn't these people choose a side? Did they simply not care for either side, or were they trying to prevent both from being offended?
"Virgil rebukes him saying that this journey for Dante is willed by a higher power (God). Therefore, Charon is powerless to refuse, finally, and takes them across to the first circle."
This proves that in the story, God is still superior, and in hell he can't be ignored.
"Here you shall pass among the fallen people, souls who have lost the good of intellect."
What does virgil mean when he says they have lost the good of intellect? I don't really see how intellect would do them any good at the place they are at.
Do you think it is rather ironic that the people stuck in the vestibule are called "opportunists?"
The definition of opportunities says that opportunities are favorable or suitable occasions or time.
"As they are stung, streams of blood and putrid matter drip to the ground which is eaten by the maggots and worms at their feet."
Why do the maggots and worms eat the blood. Why does the blood not stay to show what is happening to them. To give them more pain of what is acctually happening and how much damage the wasp are causing them?
"The souls in the Vestibule continually chase this Wavering Banner which can never be caught".
If Someone gets in the Vestibule why cant they get out?
As the fallen souls chase the Banner, they themselves are pursued by hornets and wasps.
Why are the insects trying to not let them get the flag?
Virgil rebukes him saying that this journey for Dante is willed by a higher power (God).
I think that this goes along with our discussion in class about if Dante is saying there is or isn't a God. We missed this when we were reading, but here Virgil is saying that God has a purpose in Dante seeing the depths of Hell. Maybe God God is showing Dante that this is what he and the people of the world go through after they die if they don't know God. God's purpose for showing Dante is to save him.
The souls in the Vestibule continually chase this Wavering Banner which can never be caught.
What does the banner represent?
"The souls in the Vestibule continually chase this Wavering Banner which can never be caught.
In life, they went after things only to their own benefit."
If they only go after things that benefit them then why are they chasing a banner? What does it symbolize?
The souls in the Vestibule continually chase this Wavering Banner which can never be caught.
So basically its saying that theres no way out if it can never be caught. So its like a sin that can never be change, cause it cant be caught.
"The souls in the Vestibule continually chase this Wavering Banner which can never be caught."
i wonder what thebanner represent ? does it represent freedom i wonder.
"In life, they went after things only to their own benefit, things which were always changing. Just so, the Banner is constantly changing, never stopping. As they go after it, like on a wind, the banner eludes them, just as they lived their lives on winds of change."
The banner is saying there was constant changes that these people followed. Was Dante following these changes? Can he make it through these changes?
-I think that quote is describing the changes of life, and how people follow them but in a bad way and how changes can be mistakes....or mistakes can cause changes.
"The souls in the Vestibule continually chase this Wavering Banner which can never be caught."
It states in the book that the banner represents the item that the vestibule had desired before life. So the Vestibule are forced to chase after the banner because it causes an illusion for the Vestibule to think it is the item that they wanted ?
"The souls in the Vestibule continually chase this Wavering Banner which can never be caught."
It states in the book that the banner represents the item that the vestibule had desired before life. So the Vestibule are forced to chase after the banner because it causes an illusion for the Vestibule to think it is the item that they wanted?
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"The more they try to run away, the more the insects goad them."
Do you think if they simply stop running they would leave them alone or would they attack even more?
Anonomymous, I think you made a good point that the banner could represent something in their lives that they wanted, i never thought of it like that.
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"Just as they gave up reason to be caught up in their passions, forever are they caught up in the wind of Hell."
I wonder what passions could be bad enough to be sent to the second ring of hell.
Chelsea' asked, "Do you think if they simply stop running they would leave them alone or would they attack even more?"
I think so, but they are probably so delirious with fear that they can't stop running.
to Lauryns ?
Do you think it is rather ironic that the people stuck in the vestibule are called "opportunists?"
yes because it makes it seem like they have a choice of if they want to be there or if they want to be sent & be free
The souls in the Vestibule continually chase this Wavering Banner which can never be caught."
i wonder what thebanner represent ? does it represent freedom i wonder.
A lot of people have used this quote, and to answer Dustin I do think the banner symbolizes freedom. In our lives we constantly want freedom, and in hell to be free isn't an option.
Carrie said...
"What does virgil mean when he says they have lost the good of intellect? I don't really see how intellect would do them any good at the place they are at."
I think he means that in life, they did not make the choice between good or evil- Satan or God- so they lost their intellect and that is their punishment.
dustin said...
"The souls in the Vestibule continually chase this Wavering Banner which can never be caught."
i wonder what thebanner represent ? does it represent freedom i wonder.
I agree with him i think the banner means freedom but they will never reach it
Noelle said..
Why didn't these people choose a side? Did they simply not care for either side, or were they trying to prevent both from being offended?
I sort of agree with Noelle's question on this. I think that people in this section are people that didn't really say there wasn't a God, but didn't have faith in God either. But this is only my opinion. I'm really not sure.
Noelle said...
"...Sweet Spirit, / what souls are these who run through this black haze?" / And he to me: "These are the nearly soulless / whose lives concluded neither blame nor praise."
Why didn't these people choose a side? Did they simply not care for either side, or were they trying to prevent both from being offended?
I never thought of it like that but I suppose it is possible that they didn't care for either side. Personally, I think they could have been pagans. They were neutral towards the idea of any religion.
elizabeth , you asked :
Is Dante saying that he feels bad for the opportunists stuck in the vestibule? I think he feels that their punishment is harsh.
I think he is saying that he does feel bad for the people he sees and when he looks at them he feels their pain and it makes tears come to his eyes like he wants to cry from seeing them treated that way.
"Here you shall pass among the fallen people, souls who have lost the good of intellect."
I wonder if he fears that the souls would grab him a pull him down with him.
to what sheena said...
Why do the maggots and worms eat the blood. Why does the blood not stay to show what is happening to them. To give them more pain of what is acctually happening and how much damage the wasp are causing them?
...then the blood would never go away and it would keep building would it not?
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